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PLANET ASYLUM FOR APES:...Questions About the Shoot-down of the Ukrainian Airliner in Iran Was it the result of a US/Israeli cyber attack? How did a person know to be positioned, like the Mossad agents in position to film the World Trade Center towers, with his camera pointed at the exact position in the sky at the right moment to record a missile hitting the airliner? Philip Giraldi explores the issue


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Who Targeted Ukraine Airlines Flight 752? Iran Shot It Down But There May be More to the Story
The claim that Major General Qassem Soleimani was a “terrorist” on a mission to carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill hundreds of Americans turned out to be a lie, so why should one believe anything else relating to recent developments in Iran and Iraq? To be sure, Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 departing from Tehran’s Imam Khomeini International Airport on the morning of January 8th with 176 passengers and crew on board was shot down by Iranian air defenses, something which the government of the Islamic Republic has admitted, but there just might be considerably more to the story involving cyberwarfare carried out by the U.S. and possibly Israeli governments.
To be sure, the Iranian air defenses were on high alert fearing an American attack in the wake of the U.S. government’s assassination of Soleimani on January 3rdfollowed by a missile strike from Iran directed against two U.S. bases in Iraq. In spite of the tension and the escalation, the Iranian government did not shut down the country’s airspace. Civilian passenger flights were still departing and arriving in Tehran, almost certainly an error in judgment on the part of the airport authorities. Inexplicably, civilian aircraft continued to take off and land even after Flight 752 was shot down.
Fifty-seven of the passengers on the flight were Canadians of Iranian descent, leading Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to point the finger both at the Iranian government for its carelessness and also at Washington, observing angrily that the Trump Administration had deliberately and recklessly sought to “escalate tensions” with Iran through an attack near Baghdad Airport, heedless of the impact on travelers and other civilians in the region.
What seems to have been a case of bad judgments and human error does, however, include some elements that have yet to be explained. The Iranian missile operator reportedly experienced considerable “jamming” and the planes transponder switched off and stopped transmitting several minutes before the missiles were launched. There were also problems with the communication network of the air defense command, which may have been related.
The electronic jamming coming from an unknown source meant that the air defense system was placed on manual operation, relying on human intervention to launch. The human role meant that an operator had to make a quick judgment in a pressure situation in which he had only moments to react. The shutdown of the transponder, which would have automatically signaled to the operator and Tor electronics that the plane was civilian, instead automatically indicated that it was hostile. The operator, having been particularly briefed on the possibility of incoming American cruise missiles, then fired.
The two missiles that brought the plane down came from a Russian-made system designated SA-15 by NATO and called Tor by the Russians. Its eight missiles are normally mounted on a tracked vehicle. The system includes both radar to detect and track targets as well as an independent launch system, which includes an Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) system functionality capable of reading call signs and transponder signals to prevent accidents. Given what happened on that morning in Tehran, it is plausible to assume that something or someone deliberately interfered with both the Iranian air defenses and with the transponder on the airplane, possibly as part of an attempt to create an aviation accident that would be attributed to the Iranian government.
The SA-15 Tor defense system used by Iran has one major vulnerability. It can be hacked or “spoofed,” permitting an intruder to impersonate a legitimate user and take control. The United States Navy and Air Force reportedly have developed technologies “that can fool enemy radar systems with false and deceptively moving targets.” Fooling the system also means fooling the operator. The Guardian has also reported independently how the United States military has long been developing systems that can from a distance alter the electronics and targeting of Iran’s available missiles.
The same technology can, of course, be used to alter or even mask the transponder on a civilian airliner in such a fashion as to send false information about identity and location. The United States has the cyber and electronic warfare capability to both jam and alter signals relating to both airliner transponders and to the Iranian air defenses. Israel presumably has the same ability. Joe Quinn at Sott.net also notes an interested back story to those photos and video footage that have appeared in the New York Times and elsewhere showing the Iranian missile launch, the impact with the plane and the remains after the crash, to include the missile remains. They appeared on January 9th, in an Instagram account called ‘Rich Kids of Tehran‘. Quinn asks how the Rich Kids happened to be in “a low-income housing estate on the city’s outskirts [near the airport] at 6 a.m. on the morning of January 8th with cameras pointed at the right part of the sky in time to capture a missile hitting a Ukrainian passenger plane…?”
Put together the Rich Kids and the possibility of electronic warfare and it all suggests a premeditated and carefully planned event of which the Soleimani assassinationwas only a part. There have been riots in Iran subsequent to the shooting down of the plane, blaming the government for its ineptitude. Some of the people in the street are clearly calling for the goal long sought by the United States and Israel, i.e. “regime change.” If nothing else, Iran, which was widely seen as the victim in the killing of Soleimani, is being depicted in much of the international media as little more than another unprincipled actor with blood on its hands. There is much still to explain about the downing of Ukrainian International Airlines Flight 752.
Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation (Federal ID Number #52-1739023) that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is inform@cnionline.org.
(Republished from American Herald Tribune by permission of author or representative)
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  1. AnonStarter says:
    Given this news, any impartial observer would at least entertain the possibility of its truth, particularly given the lengthy track record of the United States/Israel in perpetrating such crimes.
    It’s a good litmus test for determining where one’s sentiment lies. Even “alternative media” aren’t likely to touch this story.
    Bravo to Mr. Giraldi and Mr. Unz.
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  2. Sean says:
    The Iranian Ambassador to Britain, Hamid Baeidinejad said in an interview on the UK Channel 4 news hours ago that although Iran had needed time to determine what had happened, it had now accepted responsibility, would pay compensation, and the people who fired on the jet will be put on trial.
    If nothing else, Iran, which was widely seen as the victim in the killing of Soleimani, is being depicted in much of the international media as little more than another unprincipled actor with blood on its hands.
    Both Trump and the Iranian regime have good domestic disquiet reason to rethink the confrontational policy each are pursuing. Iran and the US could get closer over this. I think the predictable unpredictability of assassination and catastrophic loss of life events makes false flagging them of dubious value.
    Why did I rob banks? Because I enjoyed it. I loved it. I was more alive when I was inside a bank, robbing it, than at any other time in my life. I enjoyed everything about it so much that one or two weeks later I’d be out looking for the next job. But to me the money was the chips, that’s all.
    (Sutton W, Linn E: Where the Money Was: The Memoirs of a Bank Robber. Viking Press (1976), p. 160)
    I suppose it is possible there are people who get addicted to false flagging others’ deaths. If half of what is said in this site is true, Mossad really needs to set up a 12 step program.
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  3. onebornfree says: • Website
    “….the big question which many people on social media are asking is: why was this “videographer” standing in a derelict industrial area outside Tehran at around six o’clock in the morning with a mobile phone camera training on a fixed angle to the darkened sky? The airliner is barely visible, yet the sky-watching person has the camera pointed and ready to film a most dramatic event, seconds before it happened. That strongly suggests, foreknowledge.”
    “Iran Jet Disaster Setup – Who Is the Mysterious Videographer?:”
    https://ahtribune.com/world/north-africa-south-west-asia/iran/3809-jet-disaster-setup.html
    And I would add: how do we know the video[s] are even genuine? [Answer: we don’t, it is only an unproven assumption at this time].
    Regards, onebornfree
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  4. anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    Hmmm, cameras waiting beforehand, transponders not working. Sort of sounds like 9-11, doesn’t it?
    • Agree: Alfred
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  5. Haxo Angmark says: • Website
    that the ZOG was involved in the airliner shootdown
    is about as likely as the ZOG being involved in 9/11.
    cf.: the Mossad film crew, all set up on the Jersey side of the Hudson,
    20 minutes before the first plane hit the North Tower.
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  6. Lot says:
    Russian missiles, fired by Iranians, obviously the misdeeds of Jews! Phil and his phans knew it instinctively, and immediately set out searching the Internet for evidence.
    • Troll: Alfred
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  7. The airliner had not been in the air long at all when it was shot down. An Airliner can not legally launch with deadlined transponder, so the claim that it quit transmitting “several” minutes earlier would have placed it on the ground when it quit.
    The claim of US electronic warfare spoofing the radar is equally clownish. The most likely reason was the fact a number of Iranian dissidents were on board that AC who had been a thorn in the side of the regime for some time. That is speculation, but what Giraldi has published doesn’t even rise to the level of the most idiotic conspiracy theory one can concoct.
    • Disagree: GMC
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  8. Beb says:
    I have come to expect different observers to “spin” current events according to their world view, but I must say – your analysis simply takes the cake.
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  9. The Alarmist says:
    The Iranian missile operator reportedly experienced considerable “jamming” and the planes transponder switched off and stopped transmitting several minutes before the missiles were launched.
    I vaguely recall reports of transponder issues arising during the shootdown of MH-17.
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  10. anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:
    Civilian passenger flights were still departing and arriving in Tehran, almost certainly an error in judgment on the part of the airport authorities. Inexplicably, civilian aircraft continued to take off and land even after Flight 752 was shot down.
    The Iranian government is blameworthy for keeping planes in the air either because of diabolical reasons (delays a counter attack) or economic (nearly $1 billion a year in overflight fees).
    However, the pilots of the airliners that took over during the morning between the first missile hitting Iraq and the downing of the Ukrainian airliner were dumb and irresponsible.
    [MORE]
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  11. Anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    The system includes both radar to detect and track targets as well as an independent launch system, which includes an Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) system functionality capable of reading call signs and transponder signals to prevent accidents.
    Clearly you have no clue how an IFF operates and that no commercial airliner even has an IFF on board. Every commercial aircraft looks like the enemy to this SAM operator.
    Also, you need to explain how spoofing a RADAR which creates a false track would cause the shoot down. The missile would simply target the false track instead of the real aircraft.
    You also need to explain how an old SAM missile site can be hacked or spoofed to shoot down a civilian airliner. Especially this old one which has no Mode-S or ADS-B capability and only radio communication capability.
    As Mark Twain said, it’s better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are an idiot rather than open it and remove all doubt.
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  12. Colin Wright says: • Website
    • Thanks: AnonStarter
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  13. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:
    Even if this was a clear mistake on Iran’s part, the US and Israel still have blood on their hands for the downing of this plane. The missiles were launched in response to a targeted killing of an Iranian general. If that didn’t happen, these missiles never would’ve been launched.
    Trump-Pence-Pompeo-Kushner-Netanyahu are ultimately responsible for these 176 lives lost. I suspect MBS is also part of the scheme. It was his fake peace offering that lured Soleimani to Iraq in the first place. I’m with Trudeau on this.
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  14. Onlooker says:
    @Anon
    Before calling someone an idiot it is better to follow Mark Twain’s advice yourself. A more careful reading reveals no claim that IFF was onstalled on the airliner. The commenter does speculate that possible spoofing involved a false attribution of a real airliner not the creation of a false airliner and radar track. Perhaps you are familiar with “old” electronic countermeasures and not with the “new”, “top secret” and spiffy versions hinted at by the U.S. military?
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  15. Ozymandias says:
    Good Lord! Those Iranians are so scared of Trump they were practically pissing their pants.
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  16. Wizard of Oz says:
    I don’t think PG has given this enough thought bbefore posting. What Mossad might get up to I leave aside but how can a case be made for a false flag by the US?
    Might Trump have wanted the cupable downing of a Ukrainian airliner? Why? To offset his murder of the Iranian general? That’s improbable: so nuch risk for so little gain. But let’s say Trump was effectually the originator of the false flag operation. Who could he entrust it to so his part in it would be effective but not known outside one crucial agency? No: ridiculous. Impossible.
    So we speculate about some loose cannons with enough control over the CIA to cause the downing of the aircraft and also reliably cover it up. No, completely implausible unless PG can claim some special inside contact as his source.
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  17. 36 ulster says:
    @Anon
    They simply can’t restrain themselves; not in their nature.
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  18. AnonStarter says:
    @Quartermaster
    /An Airliner can not legally launch with deadlined transponder, so the claim that it quit transmitting “several” minutes earlier would have placed it on the ground when it quit./
    From the SoTT link:
    As it climbed and reached 4,600ft above ground level, the plane’s transponder suddenly stopped working at about 6.14am, 2 minutes or so after take off. [emphasis added]
    The plane was already airborne when the transponder stopped working.
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  19. Anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @Onlooker
    The commenter does speculate that possible spoofing involved a false attribution of a real airliner not the creation of a false airliner and radar track.
    What false attribution precisely? Also explain precisely how this false attribution would cause the SAM operator to shoot down the Ukrainian airliner.
    Perhaps you are familiar with “old” electronic countermeasures and not with the “new”, “top secret” and spiffy versions hinted at by the U.S. military?
    What new spiffy versions? Explain precisely how these “new”, “top secret” and spiffy versions would trick this old technology mobile Iranian SAM missile site operator to shoot down a Ukrainian airliner. And if you say its top secret then I will conclude that you, like the author, have no idea what you are talking about.
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  20. Colin Wright says: • Website
    @Ozymandias
    ‘Good Lord! Those Iranians are so scared of Trump they were practically pissing their pants.’
    They probably are. We’re a rampaging gorilla controlled by a mentally disturbed dwarf.
    • Agree: Moi
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  21. Mark James says:
    At the next Trump news conference I would hope some member of the press would ask if the US had any culpability in the confusion of Iranian anti-aircraft fire.
    Oh I forgotthe president doesn’t do those. No questions allowed.
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  22. AnonStarter says:
    @Onlooker
    Less than twenty replies into the thread and we’ve already got two individuals attempting to distort the facts. Here’s the key link that readers should visit:
    Compare the information there against what the detractors say here.
    • Replies: @anon@Ozymandias
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  23. gotmituns says:
    once trump gets through with the dumb impeachment malarkey he’ll (or maybe the israelis)implement some false flag operation and kick the sh*t out of the Iranians.
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  24. JimDandy says:
    @Colin Wright
    Wow. What would the motive be, exactly? Hack into the system so Iran accidentally blows a civilian plane out of the sky, so the regime looks bad for being jittery and inept during wartime conditions? Then cue the staged outraged protests, so the media can make it seem like the Iranian government is losing control. Jesus. That scenario is hard to even think about. All those innocent lives for such a lame, ineffectual plan.
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  25. Daniel Rich says:
    @Quartermaster
    The airliner had not been in the air long at all when it was shot down. An Airliner can not legally launch with deadlined transponder, so the claim that it quit transmitting “several” minutes earlier would have placed it on the ground when it quit.
    The flight departed Tehran Imam Khomeini International Airport at 02:42 UTC (06:12 local time) and the last ADS-B signal was received by the Flightradar24 network at 02:44 UTC(06:14 local time). According to the report the aircraft climbed to 8000 feet and turned right back toward the airport and crashed at 02:48 UTC (06:18 local time)—four minutes after the last ADS-B signal was received by the Flightradar24 network. – Source Flight Radar 24
    Mr. Giraldi’s original claim:
    The Iranian missile operator reportedly experienced considerable “jamming” and the planes transponder switched off and stopped transmitting several minutes before the missiles were launched. There were also problems with the communication network of the air defense command, which may have been related.
    4 minutes after the transponders were switches off, the plane crashed.
    Without [proper] access to the FDR and CVR, it’s impossible to determine when the plane was hit and how long it took to crash, exactly.
    The plane was only flying at 8,000 feet [its normal {flight} ceiling is 30,000 feet and above], so it’s speed relatively low [cruise speed is between about 400 and 500 knots (460 – 575 mph / 740 – 930 kph), but the Ukrainian plane was still climbing] and the fall back to Earth relatively quick.
    On the clip where the plane is on fire and finally crashes, the downward angle looked to be about 25 to 30 %, which is relatively steep. Time of downfall can be calculated when the relative data is available.
    Therefore, Mr Giraldi’s claim “several minutes before the missiles were launched…” is technically correct, until proven wrong by data from the FDR and CVR,
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  26. utu says:
    The Tor system is too primitive to be hacked. It is a stand alone, autonomous and mostly analog system. The radar signals it generates are shown on analog tube-screens.
    The stories that Russia gave Iranian codes to Israel (based on emails of some Mexican policeman with Stratfor according to Wikileaks) or Americans bragging that they put malware in those systems is just part of psychological warfare usually disseminated by Israelis press and websites. The Tor system is not an iPhone. Israel and the US like to brag about their omnipotence. Do their enemies buy it – I doubt it but it gets traction among internet conspiracy aficionados. Will Iran decide to use that bogus story to shift the blame for the tragedy? I doubt it. Despite of elevated paranoia in Iran they realize that nobody that matters would buy it and they would be laughed at besides they do not want to admit to their weakness.
    Anyway, I am surprised that Mr. Giraldi pushes that story.
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  27. bobhammer says:
    @AnonStarter
    What a crock of shit. I was an Air Force Close Air Support, Forward Air Controller, and I take great umbrage in the bald faced lie, disparaging my brothers in the Force, with the entire intent being to insinuate that the President of the United States, Donald Trump, not only assassinated a “beloved leader” who was one of the most despicable humans on the planet, a cowardly murderer of friends of mine, but implicated my brothers in the intentional downing of the Ukranian civilian airplane by tricking the missle operator into thinking that there was an incoming missle that he was targeting.
    This spurious claim has intentionally accused the President of ordering the murder of almost 200 Innocents, but has insinuated that the Air Force also would be held responsible.
    The Democrats have gone too far. If they believe that anyone who is either in the service now, or has served in the Air Force, is not now seeing the deepest color of red, with smoke pouring out of their ears, has made a huge mistake. They’ll pay for this in November, and when they rot in hell.
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  28. Ghali says:
    Interesting theory by P. Giraldi. However, I am very surprised that Israel/Mossad role in these acts of terrorism never mentioned. We know that Trump is a Zionist servant and acts on instructions from his jewish fananciers. We know, Trump is incapable of serious thinking.
    Here is a good article with some interesting observations:
    https://sputniknews.com/columnists/202001131078026961-iran-jet-disaster-setup/
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  29. GMC says:
    The Iranians took the hit because their missiles took out the airliner. And then, they could stop the Western media crying for the next 6 mos. and this gave them time to bring in other neutral investigators to look at the evidence and come up with logical scenarios. There is a reason the black boxes weren’t given to any one else to own – because they still remember the scam investigation of MH 17. I f lew planes for over 20 yrs – Every controlled/radared airport would ask me to turn on my transponder if it wasn’t on – Everyone of them. This plane not only came from Ukraine but was an easy target for a hack from any of the big Intel countries. The BIG STORY here is that most every plane flying today – can have the same type consequences!!! because of the Western War Machine.
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  30. animalogic says:
    @anonymous
    Bingo!
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  31. @Quartermaster
    based on transponder data from Flightradar24. That data cuts out abruptly roughly three and a half minutes into the flight, with the plane at an altitude of 8,000 feet.
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  32. @Anon
    “Especially this old one which has no Mode-S or ADS-B capability ”
    “The final ADS-B data received was at 06:14:45, less than two minutes after departure.” – Flightradar24 Blog. 8 January 2020.
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  33. anonymous[174] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ozymandias
    Your knuckles are dragging.
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  34. PetrOldSack says:
    @Anon
    It all depends on the arguments, but yours first hand, seem convincing. Now about spinning and re-spinning of events is what the alternative media thrive on as much as the MSM. Preferably just picking angles, the single Soleimani event champs this here at u-n-z. In soccer it is called midfielders passing the ball, to set up the assist and then targeting the goal, which of course is the next elections. It does not go further as that.
    As far as the Guardian, as a stand alone source, without mention of where it got it’s raw data, is stating a rumour.
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  35. AZ says:
    Ask the Israelis. They are experts in these operations. The blood of the innocent on their heads……
    R D Steele has some interesting thoughts as well:
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  36. Zumbuddi says:
    @onebornfree
    Was he dancing?
    • LOL: Biff
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  37. iffen says:
    The Iranian missile operator reportedly experienced considerable “jamming”
    It’s the USS Liberty all over again.
    how the Rich Kids happened to be in “a low-income housing estate on the city’s outskirts [near the airport] at 6 a.m. on the morning of January 8th with cameras pointed at the right part of the sky in time to capture a missile hitting a Ukrainian passenger plane…?”
    No wait! It’s 9/11 again.
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  38. lysias says:
    There’s no doubt that Israel tricked Syrian air defense into shooting down that Russian intel plane.
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  39. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Anon
    Trump-Pence-Pompeo-Kushner-Netanyahu are ultimately responsible for these 176 lives lost. I suspect MBS is also part of the scheme. It was his fake peace offering that lured Soleimani to Iraq in the first place. I’m with Trudeau on this.
    Trudeau showed some real courage criticizing Trump and his terrible decisions.
    More Western allies have to stand up to the Zionist stooge and call him out on his treachery and stupidity.
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  40. @bobhammer
    The Democrats have gone too far.
    I believe that P.G. has supported Trump until recently.
    Besides, you could get some general information about such themes if you read articles like the following:
    There’s No Evidence Iran Is Responsible for the Deaths of Hundreds of Americans
    by Stephen Zunes
    How the President Became a Drone Operator
    by Allegra Harpootlian
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  41. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Yet you don’t address the principal point:
    “A more careful reading reveals no claim that IFF was [i]nstalled on the airliner.”
    You were incorrect about that, weren’t you?
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  42. lavoisier says: • Website
    @bobhammer
    Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Turn off Fox News now.
    We are not always the good guys and we are up to our necks in deceit, plunder, and evil. Our actions have harmed millions of people around the world and it has to stop.
    It is time for more self-reflection as individuals and as a nation; and it is long past time for us to be comfortable with lies.
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  43. Anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @onebornfree
    This is called a Naudet in post-9/11 photojournalism, an occult practice of knowing where to aim the camera just before something big happens. In this latest case, hundreds of Dancing Israelis would have been seen in America’s newsrooms and neocon offices.
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  44. @iffen
    I really can’t say that I blame you Jews for mocking America and having nothing but contempt for the American lives lost in both the Liberty incident and 9-11.
    After all, no matter how shitty your behaviour is, they keep bending over to take more. They’re like an abused wife that keeps coming back.
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  45. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonStarter
    Less than twenty replies into the thread and we’ve already got two individuals attempting to distort the facts. Here’s the key link that readers should visit:
    From your link:
    Since the Tor-M1 system he is operating is fitted with IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) functionality, he could even see their call signs.
    This is absolutely false. An IFF has zero capability to see call signs. IFF systems can only determine if an aircraft is a friend or foe if the aircraft is IFF equipped. No commercial airliners have IFFs on board.
    From your link:
    but it is equally possible for a hacker to inject data directly into the aircraft’s ADS-B. so that it transmits false data about its identity, location, speed and direction.
    This old. mobile, Iranian SAM site has zero ability to even receive ADS-B data. So whatever can or cannot be done to manipulate ADS-B data is irrelevant.
    Anyone who uses the words IFF or ADS-B in their analysis doesn’t know what they are talking about and should be ignored
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  46. @Lot
    Russian missiles, fired by Iranians, obviously the misdeeds of Jews..!”
    Yes, the Iranians were electronically misled by Israeli agents, while some were also present “to document the event”. Shade of 9/11 by the Jewish rogue state that brought terrorism to the Middle East and the world at large.
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  47. Eugene says:
    This is clearly very unlikely. If it is true then Iran and Russia better fix their defences. The US could attacj with impunity. But I doubt it. Some conspiracies are true, many are not.
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  48. onebornfree says: • Website
    One does wonder why 138 people would travel from Tehran to Canada via Kyiv, but that is only one of many questions associated with this crash. Stranger still are the memorial programs for the Canadian victims that showed up in the media ON THE SAME DAY as the crash. ….”
    The crash site is also problematic. Debris is strewn over a wide area, with little of it burned. Very few parts of the plane are visible in the news footage, although most of it should have been recovered. The Boeing 737-800 has between 162 and 189 seats, but not a single airplane seat is seen in the footage…….”
    “….A few pieces of luggage show up, but nowhere near the amount there should be, and papers, water bottles, photo albums, and children’s books survived. And we do have shoes, lots of single shoes – the hallmark of hoax events worldwide……”
    “…The tail usually survives in a plane crash, but only the tip shows up here, and it looks like it was set down carefully in a tilled field, with the rows undamaged by any kind of impact……”
    “……..None of the “amateur” videos can be assumed to be authentic, just as the stories in the media cannot be trusted. Taken together, however, the evidence points not to a plane crash but to a fake event, perhaps involving a missile, with loads of debris trucked in and deposited for the cameras….”
    See: “The Strange Crash of Ukrainian Flight #752 in Iran”
    https://jamesfetzer.org/2020/01/vivian-lee-the-strange-crash-of-ukrainian-flight-752-in-iran/
    Regards, onebornfree
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  49. Z-man says:
    @Sean
    As much as I despise The Zionist Entity, AIPAC, the Neocon world etc., etc. I can’t help but agree with Sean here above.
    I know Phil is a former CIA official and he can’t help himself from indulging in these suppositions but he should stick to delegitimizing the Zionist state because of actual, legitimate reasons.
    BDS now! One State Solution now. No more wars for Israel, now.
    FYI, When it comes to my anti Zionist position I’m not an Arab and I’ve even had run ins with a Palestinian American or two. I consider myself a lapsed Catholic (grin) but I’m a fan of the SSPX and the good Bishop, Williamson. Being against the land that ‘The UN partitioned I have to follow the TRUTH and not be blinded by the controlled media, stupid Christian Zionist dogma or even my cynical Leader Donaldus Trumpus.
    America First! Americae primum!
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  50. Johnny Rico says:
    @anonymous
    Yeah. Especially because the towers were brought down by Russian SA-15s. You forgot that similarity.
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  51. Truth3 says:
    Israelis and their “allies” are always there to… “document the event.”
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  52. Truth3 says:
    @bobhammer
    I suggest Bob take his Hammer out, shatter the glass of the box with Jewish Perfidy inside, and read up on the USS Liberty.
    When you’ve done that Bob, come back and attempt to beguile with your history.
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  53. Any stone you lift you will see a Jew hiding underneath.
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  54. Rurik says:
    There have been riots in Iran subsequent to the shooting down of the plane, blaming the government for its ineptitude.
    >>sigh<<
    A thousand 'sighs', in fact. (I did honestly, 'sigh' just now, getting ready to type this)
    You're a man I have a ton of respect for, Mr. G., and it is for that reason that I'm vexed over your characterization for why those people were/are rioting.
    For the record, it’s not because of any perceived “ineptitude” over the plane being shot down.
    No, no, no, Sir. No one that I’ve heard about or seen, has shown the slightest anger at the regime in Iran for its “ineptitude’, either perceived or otherwise.
    So let me be very clear here. What they are (justifiably) angry about, what they are rioting about, is the fact that the regime *lied* to them, about the cause of the plane crash.
    We were all lied to, when the regime in Iran demanded and insisted for days, that whatever did happen to the plane, what they could assure us, and guarantee to the world, and to the victim’s families, and to the Iranian people, and to Allah Himself, is that no one in Iran shot the plane down. That much, we were told, we can take to the bank. That, we were all told, was the one certainty Iran’s regime could guarantee the world.
    And then when it became obvious that there was proof, that Iran had shot the plane down, then they decided to tell the truth. Finally, after having lied about it for days.
    I come to Unz, because I’m sick to death of all-pervasive, agenda-driven lies, so I know how those protesters feel, believe me.
    Some of the people in the street are clearly calling for the goal long sought by the United States and Israel, i.e. “regime change.”
    Well, if a regime wants to keep its credibility with its people, in a world where it seems everyone everywhere is a lying rat, then the thing to do is show their people that they’re not like the lying rats of the West. But rather are men who’re accountable, and honest and not given to lies.
    As for the gist of your article, I would tend to agree, that Iran’s defenses were ‘hacked’ somehow, because there’s really no other explanation for how a TOR system could have mistaken the passenger jet for a cruise missile.
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  55. Ozymandias says:
    @AnonStarter
    “Compare the information there with what the detractors say here.”
    Well okay. Here’s some more info I found from your source:
    Do you think that these two stories could be connected? Have you checked it out? Earn that gold star, buddy!
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  56. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @bobhammer
    The “uninterruptible” autopilot can be activated – either by pilots or by on-board sensors, or by radio or satellite link<= connected to controls at the remote end. Government agencies, quasi government agencies, military brats and probably the entire group of privately operated NGOs and private party mobsters (bankers, corporations and private military armies and privateers) at the remote end, can take over control of in-flight Aircraft, and fly it, land it, take it off, whatever, even if the pilot sitting in the cockpit objects. and does all he can to retrieve control from the remote operator.
    Several comments report says interrupt able remote control, allows, persons on the ground, to take from the pilot in a flying airplane, control of the airplane the pilot is suppose to be flying, in situations for example when terrorist are in the cockpit. I have not read the manufacture's literature nor do I have personal knowledge abut the equipment list of any of these aircraft, the list suggest they are all aircraft, not only equipped with the UAP but that they were all aircraft made by the same manufacturer. I am merely repeating what was on stated as fact on a website I visited.
    Many are looking for proof that remotely equipped uninterruptible autopilots are being used as Remote Control weaponized drones. Imagine an pilot, located on the ground in London or somewhere parks his /her remote ground to air control vehicle and takes over flight control including turns on/off the transponder [<=which tells everyone where the plane is during its flight] on a plane that is flying, landing or taking off from say the Tehran airport in Iran?
    My personal experience is that it generally takes less than 2 minutes after a transponder is turned off during a planes flight, before fighter jets arrive to escort the transponder disabled plane; so the whole system that protects civilian aircraft, and allows the military to know the aircraft is civilian, is dependent on the Transponder, installed in the airplane, to continuously squawk during flight, its exact position so that everyone can identify the flight, and track the aircraft during its flight. Every land based control tower, ATC control system center and military installation depends on that airborne squawking transponder to track the en-route progress of commercial and private aircraft flights from take off to landing.
    Another comment made on that list referred to above claimed Uninterruptible Auto Pilot [UAP] equipped aircraft have been involved in unexplained flight accident/disappearance events (I have no personal knowledge about the equipment in these aircraft, I just repeated here what someone else said elsewhere, please verify these claims yourself or provide verification ) .
    (4 @911) <=UAP allows pilot-less flights, no pilot need board the plane for its flight.
    (PS752) (transponder turned off, destroyed by confused ground defense crews)
    MH370 (vanished into thin air)
    MH17 (had its flight path altered.)
    Eyes focus on Uninterruptible Auto Pilot (UAP) .. to explain recent Tehran 160 person disaster?
    This is really something to think about? Always the question has been how did four military officers from Iran, trained a few weeks in Florida to fly jets, manage to get through four differently located pilot screening TSA gates to fly the aircraft and passenger into the 9/11 events. Conspiracy theories suggest since no pilot is needed, there were no pilots for TSA to screening. Remote control on the ground flew the aircraft to their destinations.

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